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Por dcalonso | Sáb, 21/11/2015 - 08:25

Mario,

Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and Thomas's
spelled the english way to.

Danny C. Alonso

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It's actually Old Spanish, which in turn had more similarities with Latin, but it wasn't Latin per say, in other words the form "José" didn't exist, there was Jossef, Joseph, Iosef, etc. regardless of who wrote it. As time pass the names, surnames, and grammar further change and end up in the way we use it today. Other languages like English and French retain a "primitive" more Latin-like form of some names and words, thus we would think in today's US records Joseph as been the "English" version when in fact is not English at all. Note that the Latin for this name was actually Iosephus.

Also the spelling for names changed depending of the priest education region wise.

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Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some of my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
>
> Mario,
>
> Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
> tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and Thomas's
> spelled the english way to.
>
>
> Danny C. Alonso

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When I came across English and French spellings of names and asked my
family what they thought, they assumed that people back then may have just
enjoyed diversity in their children's names, much as we do now. It made
sense to me.

Raquel Ruiz
Massachusetts

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and
> other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some of
> my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
> >
> > Mario,
> >
> > Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
> > tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and
> Thomas's
> > spelled the english way to.
> >
> >
> > Danny C. Alonso
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Emily,

You're correct, it was Latin. The further back you go in years, the more
Latin you will find in the records.

Alicia

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Raquel Ruiz
wrote:

> When I came across English and French spellings of names and asked my
> family what they thought, they assumed that people back then may have just
> enjoyed diversity in their children's names, much as we do now. It made
> sense to me.
>
> Raquel Ruiz
> Massachusetts
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Emilie Garcia >
> wrote:
>
> > Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and
> > other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some
> of
> > my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> > > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
> > >
> > > Mario,
> > >
> > > Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
> > > tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and
> > Thomas's
> > > spelled the english way to.
> > >
> > >
> > > Danny C. Alonso
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Thanks, Alicia

> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:46:23 -0800
> From: allieavelar@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
>
> Emily,
>
> You're correct, it was Latin. The further back you go in years, the more
> Latin you will find in the records.
>
> Alicia
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Raquel Ruiz
> wrote:
>
> > When I came across English and French spellings of names and asked my
> > family what they thought, they assumed that people back then may have just
> > enjoyed diversity in their children's names, much as we do now. It made
> > sense to me.
> >
> > Raquel Ruiz
> > Massachusetts
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Emilie Garcia > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and
> > > other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some
> > of
> > > my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.
> > >
> > > Emilie
> > > Port Orchard, WA
> > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> > > > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
> > > >
> > > > Mario,
> > > >
> > > > Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
> > > > tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and
> > > Thomas's
> > > > spelled the english way to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Danny C. Alonso
> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> > >
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Raquel,

In a book I have about the origin of the names assigned by the Catholic church during baptisms, St. George was a soldier martyr who was born near Jerusalem in the 3rd century. In the Saint's calendar his day is April 23, and the name means "farmer". Joseph of course was the husband of the Virgin Mary and his day is March 19, and Mariam (she has several days) was his wife. Most people way back in the 17th century on the farms in Mexico couldn't read or write, unless they were in business or teachers in town. I also notice in the baptism books, that on certain weeks most of the people baptized were given the same name for the saint on the calendar.

Priests, I think, not only studied the history of saints, but they also studied the Roman and Greek literature, so I have found diversity in names that are not from the Saints calendar, such as my father's mother who was named Gorgonia. I find that strange that she was given the name from a Greek myth about a monster woman who had snakes on her head, and if you looked into her eyes you would be turned to stone. I am sure that my Gorgonia's parents didn't know about that myth or they would not have given her that name. They were simple farmers without education and not merchants or government officials.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 19:33:28 -0500
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
>
> When I came across English and French spellings of names and asked my
> family what they thought, they assumed that people back then may have just
> enjoyed diversity in their children's names, much as we do now. It made
> sense to me.
>
> Raquel Ruiz
> Massachusetts
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
>
> > Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church and
> > other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find some of
> > my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> > > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
> > >
> > > Mario,
> > >
> > > Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in my
> > > tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and
> > Thomas's
> > > spelled the english way to.
> > >
> > >
> > > Danny C. Alonso
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Emilie,

You're right. I have sometimes used ancestor's given names to as a see it
helps me locate the date of baptism. Maybe it was the priest who liked the
diversity of spellings!
Raquel

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Raquel,
>
> In a book I have about the origin of the names assigned by the Catholic
> church during baptisms, St. George was a soldier martyr who was born near
> Jerusalem in the 3rd century. In the Saint's calendar his day is April 23,
> and the name means "farmer". Joseph of course was the husband of the
> Virgin Mary and his day is March 19, and Mariam (she has several days) was
> his wife. Most people way back in the 17th century on the farms in Mexico
> couldn't read or write, unless they were in business or teachers in town.
> I also notice in the baptism books, that on certain weeks most of the
> people baptized were given the same name for the saint on the calendar.
>
> Priests, I think, not only studied the history of saints, but they also
> studied the Roman and Greek literature, so I have found diversity in names
> that are not from the Saints calendar, such as my father's mother who was
> named Gorgonia. I find that strange that she was given the name from a
> Greek myth about a monster woman who had snakes on her head, and if you
> looked into her eyes you would be turned to stone. I am sure that my
> Gorgonia's parents didn't know about that myth or they would not have given
> her that name. They were simple farmers without education and not merchants
> or government officials.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 19:33:28 -0500
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
> >
> > When I came across English and French spellings of names and asked my
> > family what they thought, they assumed that people back then may have
> just
> > enjoyed diversity in their children's names, much as we do now. It made
> > sense to me.
> >
> > Raquel Ruiz
> > Massachusetts
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Emilie Garcia <
> auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Danny, it wasn't English. I think way back then the Catholic church
> and
> > > other government agencies used to use those names (Latin?). I find
> some of
> > > my ancestor's baptisms using Mariam for Mary, etc.
> > >
> > > Emilie
> > > Port Orchard, WA
> > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:25:53 -0800
> > > > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] English name George in baptismal records
> > > >
> > > > Mario,
> > > >
> > > > Im not sure why, but, I have a couple of George's and one Jeorge in
> my
> > > > tree, I'm not sure why though. I also have dozens of Joseph's and
> > > Thomas's
> > > > spelled the english way to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Danny C. Alonso
> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Hi Emilie,

Your grandmother was probably not named for a Greek myth, but, rather for the Greek Saint Gorgonia, the sister of Saint Gregory of Nazianzus and the daughter of Saint Gregory the Elder:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Gorgonia

Chris

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