Ricci,Just trying to clarify what you wrote. Ladino was a form of the Spanish language spoken near San Miguel? And what are "Jewish conversos?" Where there actually synagogues around there?Thanks,Luis-----Original Message-----From: "Ricci, Richard" [rricci@lausd.net]Date: 02/20/2009 03:17 PMTo: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias \ Some background on my familyThere are stories that the spanish being spoken near valle de Gpe, pegueros and san miguel was ladino and was spoken because of jewish converso ancestors. they used to sing in the countryside this language that was different from the spanish spoken in mexico. Some of my uncles and aunts used to speak about this........ ________________________________ From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of El Peregrino Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 9:57 AM To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias \ Some background on my family Hi Daniel ! Thank you for the warm welcome ! I have not posted any files as of yet, I'm still a rookie at all this. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. My father and grandmother did tell me that the Gonzalez \ Casillas line married into each other a couple of times !, So I know that saying about Altenos is true ! Just some background, my Grandfather and his brothers moved up to Miami , Arizona to work in the mines. He contracted miners lung \ black lung and when he realized it was going to kill him, he went back to his birthplace, La Villa \ San Jose de Basarte. My father and my uncle Santiago were born there. My grandfather passed when my father was only two years old or so, he never knew him My grandmother, who was originally from Aguascalientes, moved the family back to Arizona, first Jerome, then to Bisbee..where I grew up. According to my grandmother, my grandfather's family had a large estate that the family shared, she sold off her portion to some of the fami ly members that had stayed behind. My grandmother eventually remarried to a man who did not care for my father and his brothers and he forbade my grandmother to ever talk about their family. For many years my dad had no info as to his roots, very little about it was ever discussed. When my abuelas husband died, she could finally talk to her sons about their family history, but they were grown men by that time. She used to tell me stories about the family and my grandfather and she hid away photos that I'm am blessed to have now. My grandfather and his brothers were tall, 6ft plus and all except my abuelo had blond hair and blue eyes. She told me that when my grandfather would speak to his father, they spoke a version of spanish that she has a hard time following..I've always wondered if it was Gallego or Catalan...maybe even Basque. So many other things she would tell me that I would like answers to, not so much for me, but for my father. My great grandfather , Gregorio Gonz alez Casillas is buried in the small church or capilla in SJdB, quite an honor I'm told, I'd like to know why this type of respect was given to my family, who exactly they were ? I'd better give it a rest now ! I still have much more info to share, sorry to ramble on. Thanks again Daniel, I look forward to speaking with you more in the future ! Robert ~ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research(at)nuestrosranchos.org To change your subscription, log on to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Conversos were christians that had converted over from judaism. We have many ancestors who were conversos. Some secretly continued practicing their jewish faith with little remnants of those traditions contining on en los altos as family traditions after the families, children of the conversos moved futher away from judaism and into the catholic faith and traditions. Some conversos converted completely and did not pass on any of those traditions.
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Ricci,Just trying to clarify what you wrote. Ladino was a form of the Spanish language spoken near San Miguel? And what are "Jewish conversos?" Where there actually synagogues around there?Thanks,Luis-----Original Message-----From: "Ricci, Richard" [rricci@lausd.net]Date: 02/20/2009 03:17 PMTo: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias \ Some background on my familyThere are stories that the spanish being spoken near valle de Gpe, pegueros and san miguel was ladino and was spoken because of jewish converso ancestors. they used to sing in the countryside this language that was different from the spanish spoken in mexico. Some of my uncles and aunts used to speak about this........ ________________________________ From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of El Peregrino Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 9:57 AM To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias \ Some background on my family Hi Daniel ! Thank you for the warm welcome ! I have not posted any files as of yet, I'm still a rookie at all this. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. My father and grandmother did tell me that the Gonzalez \ Casillas line married into each other a couple of times !, So I know that saying about Altenos is true ! Just some background, my Grandfather and his brothers moved up to Miami , Arizona to work in the mines. He contracted miners lung \ black lung and when he realized it was going to kill him, he went back to his birthplace, La Villa \ San Jose de Basarte. My father and my uncle Santiago were born there. My grandfather passed when my father was only two years old or so, he never knew him My grandmother, who was originally from Aguascalientes, moved the family back to Arizona, first Jerome, then to Bisbee..where I grew up. According to my grandmother, my grandfather's family had a large estate that the family shared, she sold off her portion to some of the fami ly members that had stayed behind. My grandmother eventually remarried to a man who did not care for my father and his brothers and he forbade my grandmother to ever talk about their family. For many years my dad had no info as to his roots, very little about it was ever discussed. When my abuelas husband died, she could finally talk to her sons about their family history, but they were grown men by that time. She used to tell me stories about the family and my grandfather and she hid away photos that I'm am blessed to have now. My grandfather and his brothers were tall, 6ft plus and all except my abuelo had blond hair and blue eyes. She told me that when my grandfather would speak to his father, they spoke a version of spanish that she has a hard time following..I've always wondered if it was Gallego or Catalan...maybe even Basque. So many other things she would tell me that I would like answers to, not so much for me, but for my father. My great grandfather , Gregorio Gonz alez Casillas is buried in the small church or capilla in SJdB, quite an honor I'm told, I'd like to know why this type of respect was given to my family, who exactly they were ? I'd better give it a rest now ! I still have much more info to share, sorry to ramble on. Thanks again Daniel, I look forward to speaking with you more in the future ! Robert ~ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research(at)nuestrosranchos.org To change your subscription, log on to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org