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Found the matrimonio of the Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales in the year 1758, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales are the "maternal" ggg grandparents of my grandfather "Antonio Madera Madera" since my paternal great grandparents are Calixto Madera De La Paz and Maria Clemencia Madera. So that makes Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales my gggg grandparents through side of Maria Clemencia Madera.

Here is part of the copy of the matrimonio in 1758:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/28vaurp.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-27987-55?cc=1874591&wc…

Lazaro Madera is the son of "Blas Madera and Theresa De Abila"

This is great because now I found another generation "Blas Madera" to keep backtracking.

In 1783 Lazaro Madera passed away from a lightening strike. His wife Juana Micaela Perales passed away at the age of 68 in 1804.

The son of Lazaro Madera is name Marcelo Madera and in the census of 1828 Marcelo Madera is first on the list as the owner of Rancho De Los Maderas.

I am still trying to find who the parents are of Francisco Madera. Francisco Madera is the paternal ggg grandfather of my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera. Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar are my Paternal gggg grandparents.

Francisco Madera/Maria Leocadia De Huizar
Lazaro Madera/Juana Micaela Perales

Are the same generations of paternal and maternal ggg grandparents of my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera and they are my gggg grandparents.

how exciting for you each time you find that one record that takes you back another generation. We all get excited for you and ourselves when that happens!
Linda in Olympia, Wa

On Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:05 PM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

Found the matrimonio of the Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales in the year 1758, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales are the "maternal" ggg grandparents of my grandfather "Antonio Madera Madera" since my paternal great grandparents are Calixto Madera De La Paz and Maria Clemencia Madera. So that makes Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales my gggg grandparents through side of Maria Clemencia Madera.

Here is part of the copy of the matrimonio in 1758:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/28vaurp.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-27987-55?cc=1874591&wc…

Lazaro Madera is the son of "Blas Madera and Theresa De Abila"

This is great because now I found another generation "Blas Madera" to keep backtracking.

In 1783 Lazaro Madera passed away from a lightening strike. His wife Juana Micaela Perales passed away at the age of 68 in 1804.

The son of Lazaro Madera is name Marcelo Madera and in the census of 1828 Marcelo Madera is first on the list as the owner of Rancho De Los Maderas.

I am still trying to find who the parents are of Francisco Madera. Francisco Madera is the paternal ggg grandfather of my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera. Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar are my Paternal gggg grandparents.

Francisco Madera/Maria Leocadia De Huizar
Lazaro Madera/Juana Micaela Perales

Are the same generations of paternal and maternal ggg grandparents of my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera and they are my gggg grandparents.

Thank you Linda!

I can't describe the feeling when I first see something new and from the colonial past. I don't think there are that many people from our village that does a large effort in searching their ancestors and verify the data with proof such as bautismos, matrimonios, defunto, etc records.

I can imagine how you feel Linda and all the other people searching for the ancestors feel when they first see something and also get shocked.

This is why I love searching for my ancestors and also the history of our towns.

as for records that show mixed ancestry you should consider having yours done on 23 and Me to see exactly what your genetic make up is. I highly recommend it.
Linda in Olympia, Wa

On Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:35 PM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

Thank you Linda!

I can't describe the feeling when I first see something new and from the colonial past.  I don't think there are that many people from our village that does a large effort in searching their ancestors and verify the data with proof such as bautismos, matrimonios, defunto, etc records.

I can imagine how you feel Linda and all the other people searching for the ancestors feel when they first see something and also get shocked.

This is why I love searching for my ancestors and also the history of our towns.

Thanks Linda for the advice on having genetic testing done. I want to do that.

Also I was looking at the copy I posted on Lazaro Madera and after the paragraph it has the signature of Lazaro Madera. But then I began to view the handwriting to see if the Cura signed it since the hand writing looks similar to the handing writing in the paragraph. But that would have been great if the actual signature of "Lazaro Madera" below the paragraph is his.

Anyway by viewing the handwriting of the paragraph and signature and how correctly spelled all the words are, shows that the person is educated.

23andme does not offer STR testing and matching on Y-DNA and it does not
have the many projects available that FamilyTreeDNA has. 23andme also
doesn't provide individual SNP tests or transfers from National Genographic
Geno 2.0. Many of the members with NuestrosRanchos have tested with FTDNA
and many of them should show up as matches if you were to get a Family
Finder test with FamilyTreeDNA which is similar to the 23andme test and
where you would see the Native American show up as a New World and
Northeast Asian similar to what 23andme shows for East Asian and Native
American.

You can see the Y-DNA results from many of the NuestrosRanchos members at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?sectio…
The results for the mtDNA for the members can be seen at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?sectio…

most of our ancestors did not see or read the records except for the few who were educated. The scribe wrote the record and if your ancestor could read and write he would sign it otherwise it says they could not read or write and the scribe signed for them.
I also believe some scribes could not write since they copied records and did not know how to break up the words and ran them in a string. I found this in just a few records but it did happen. The fact that the parents were seldom at a baptism also results in errors in naming the grandparents or putting unknown. The godparents did not always know these facts. There was a lot of guessing going on so unless you find 2 records stating an age or home town they can be approximate dates and places.  You will find this a lot in marriage information records where they say they are from a certain place but the baptism record shows them from someplace else. My gr-grandparents were off 3 years on their own birthdates and he could read and write but never saw their baptism records..
Linda in Olympia, Wa.

On Sunday, June 8, 2014 11:28 PM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

Thanks Linda for the advice on having genetic testing done.  I want to do that.

Also I was looking at the copy I posted on Lazaro Madera and after the paragraph it has the signature of Lazaro Madera.  But then I began to view the handwriting to see if the Cura signed it since the hand writing looks similar to the handing writing in the paragraph.  But that would have been great if the actual signature of "Lazaro Madera" below the paragraph is his. 

Anyway by viewing the handwriting of the paragraph and signature and how correctly spelled all the words are,  shows that the person is educated.

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