Hi Esperanza,
It took about 2 months for Los Angeles County to get back to me with an
official death certificate for my great grandmother who died in 1929. It was
frustrating in that there was no birth date and her birth year was given by
her son who was unsure. Review your documents carefully as it may give
you clues to other sources of information. The mortuary my family used is
still in business today and they were kind and helpful. They gave me the
service date, burial date and place as well as the name of the church (who I
have yet to contact). Also, if your family was/is Catholic the Los Angeles
Archdiocese web site is helpful. If you knew their address at the time
(from family members or census records) you may be able to figure out what
parish they attended and then you can review their records. Good luck!
Sherri Mora-Bass
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:48:41 -0600
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I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: TERI ROMERO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <768902.55599.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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My mother always told us the story about one of my sisters who she felt
had died from this and had someone do a "remedy" to prevent her from being
sick. I think there were many old wives tales in our culture years ago and
even though she told the story I don't think she really believed it. Also,
my sister did die but probably from something else!
Teri Romero
________________________________
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:48:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
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Research Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17
Esperanza,
Another source you may want to consider is Social Security Administration
(SSA). http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm I would love
it if you would share your findings with all of us.
Rosa
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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17
Hi Esperanza,
It took about 2 months for Los Angeles County to get back to me with an
official death certificate for my great grandmother who died in 1929. It
was
frustrating in that there was no birth date and her birth year was given by
her son who was unsure. Review your documents carefully as it may give
you clues to other sources of information. The mortuary my family used is
still in business today and they were kind and helpful. They gave me the
service date, burial date and place as well as the name of the church (who
I
have yet to contact). Also, if your family was/is Catholic the Los Angeles
Archdiocese web site is helpful. If you knew their address at the time
(from family members or census records) you may be able to figure out what
parish they attended and then you can review their records. Good luck!
Sherri Mora-Bass
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2. Re: muri? de ojo (TERI ROMERO)
3. Re: muri? de ojo (rayjaur@comcast.net)
4. Los Angeles Birth & Death: Torres (epallana@sonic.net)
5. Re: Los Angeles Birth & Death: Torres (y b)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:48:41 -0600
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <118443767.20090922184841@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15
I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: TERI ROMERO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <768902.55599.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
My mother always told us the story about one of my sisters who she felt
had died from this and had someone do a "remedy" to prevent her from being
sick. I think there were many old wives tales in our culture years ago and
even though she told the story I don't think she really believed it. Also,
my sister did die but probably from something else!
Teri Romero
________________________________
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:48:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
Birth Date of Great Grandmother via obituaries
Dear Sherri Mora-Bass or Esperanza:
Sometimes obituaries are excellent sources for birth dates. Family members may not have all the information at the time of reporting the death and things are left out on the death certificate, but often obituaries have all the information. I found a an obituary of my husband's aunt in the Tulare library for Dinuba, CA. I was surprised to find her exact birth date in her 1921 obituary. Sherri if you know the date of death, then it would be a good idea to check the local area libraries for the microfilms of the newspapers, in the town where she passed away, just a few days to a day before her funeral. Check under newspapers at Ancestry.com to see if they have holdings for that local paper and you might be lucky to find it online. Just another suggestion. If you are not sure about the local paper at the time or in that area, ask the local librarian for the newspapers running in that town during that period. Good luck.
Maureen Bejar
Research Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17
Esperanza,
Another source you may want to consider is Social Security Administration
(SSA). http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rwguide/lesson10.htm I would love
it if you would share your findings with all of us.
Rosa
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
KanakaLele@aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:36 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17
Hi Esperanza,
It took about 2 months for Los Angeles County to get back to me with an
official death certificate for my great grandmother who died in 1929. It
was
frustrating in that there was no birth date and her birth year was given by
her son who was unsure. Review your documents carefully as it may give
you clues to other sources of information. The mortuary my family used is
still in business today and they were kind and helpful. They gave me the
service date, burial date and place as well as the name of the church (who
I
have yet to contact). Also, if your family was/is Catholic the Los Angeles
Archdiocese web site is helpful. If you knew their address at the time
(from family members or census records) you may be able to figure out what
parish they attended and then you can review their records. Good luck!
Sherri Mora-Bass
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1. muri? de ojo (Stuart Armstrong)
2. Re: muri? de ojo (TERI ROMERO)
3. Re: muri? de ojo (rayjaur@comcast.net)
4. Los Angeles Birth & Death: Torres (epallana@sonic.net)
5. Re: Los Angeles Birth & Death: Torres (y b)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:48:41 -0600
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <118443767.20090922184841@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15
I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: TERI ROMERO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
Message-ID: <768902.55599.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
My mother always told us the story about one of my sisters who she felt
had died from this and had someone do a "remedy" to prevent her from being
sick. I think there were many old wives tales in our culture years ago and
even though she told the story I don't think she really believed it. Also,
my sister did die but probably from something else!
Teri Romero
________________________________
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:48:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] muri? de ojo
I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "muri? de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com