By mendezdetorres |

Just wanted to let everyone know that this website is REALLY FUN and helpful. They have a wealth of information. You can even view the actual images and PRINT at no charge! From the passport of our Lope Ruiz de Esparza to my Juan Perez del Camino who was made to the office of the Real Audencia de Guadalajara on June 6, 1605 in Guadalajara. Im sure ill find much more. Im going to search on the founding families of Aguascalientes a bit more. Let me know if you have any other questions.
-Daniel Mendez del Camino

juanita galvan… (not verified)

17 years 8 months ago

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Hi,
Read with interest about the website with lots of information, including passports.Can anyone get into it? And what is it exactly>

Thanks!!!!
Juanita

mormonboy74 wrote:

Just wanted to let everyone know that this website is REALLY FUN and helpful. They have a wealth of information. You can even view the actual images and PRINT at no charge! From the passport of our Lope Ruiz de Esparza to my Juan Perez del Camino who was made to the office of the Real Audencia de Guadalajara on June 6, 1605 in Guadalajara. Im sure ill find much more. Im going to search on the founding families of Aguascalientes a bit more. Let me know if you have any other questions.
-Daniel Mendez del Camino

The website that Daniel is speaking of is Portal de Archivos Espanoles (PARES) and the link appears in the link section of Nuestros Ranchos. There is no password necessary.

http://pares.mcu.es/

I think that the documents that Daniel speaks of are not so much passports as the licensias para pasar a Indias, or permits to travel to the Indies, which were necessary to keep Jews, Muslims, Catalans, etc. out of the colonies. There is also an electronic version of Catalogo de Pasajeros, which is an index of all of the names on the passenger lists and licenses.

Arturo,
You and Emile have been gracious enough to give me great information. Thanks!
I would appreciate it if someone can help me find information on the surname TOBIAS.
I know extremely little about the name other than MARIA INOCENCIA TOBIAS , born around 1850, Mexico or Texas?? She married ANTONIO CAVAZOS CAVAZOS in Cameron County, Texas, in 1877. I am looking for her parents'names. All I know is that she was Spanish, and she does look Spanish in her picture. Thanks!!!

Juanita

arturoramos wrote:

The website that Daniel is speaking of is Portal de Archivos Espanoles (PARES) and the link appears in the link section of Nuestros Ranchos. There is no password necessary.

http://pares.mcu.es/

I think that the documents that Daniel speaks of are not so much passports as the licensias para pasar a Indias, or permits to travel to the Indies, which were necessary to keep Jews, Muslims, Catalans, etc. out of the colonies. There is also an electronic version of Catalogo de Pasajeros, which is an index of all of the names on the passenger lists and licenses.

Juanita:

When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.

"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".

The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?

Arturo,

Thank you for your reply.

I have Inocencia and Antonio's marriage certificate, but it certainly does not give parents'
names. It gives the padrinos' names. So unfortunate, especially since I have not been able
to locate her death certificate, which would certainly give that information.

I checked with Cameron County, Texas, because she supposedly died outside the city of Brownsville, in La Tina Ranch in Cameron County, but there is no record there. That is where I got their wedding certificate. I then checked with the city records and found nothing.I have tried Familysearch, but no luck. The LDS center near here has records of Texas deaths, so the first opportunity I get I will check there.

Incidently, I have not run into marriage certificates(not in Texas) that lists parents' names.

I also did not find any Tobias in my searches. I had heard that she was born in Texas, but she might have been born in Mexico.

Thank you again,

Juanita

arturoramos wrote:

Juanita:

When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.

"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".

The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?

Hi! Have you tried confirmation records?

Hope it helps.

juanita delgado escribió:
Arturo,

Thank you for your reply.

I have Inocencia and Antonio's marriage certificate, but it certainly does not give parents'
names. It gives the padrinos' names. So unfortunate, especially since I have not been able
to locate her death certificate, which would certainly give that information.

I checked with Cameron County, Texas, because she supposedly died outside the city of Brownsville, in La Tina Ranch in Cameron County, but there is no record there. That is where I got their wedding certificate. I then checked with the city records and found nothing.I have tried Familysearch, but no luck. The LDS center near here has records of Texas deaths, so the first opportunity I get I will check there.

Incidently, I have not run into marriage certificates(not in Texas) that lists parents' names.

I also did not find any Tobias in my searches. I had heard that she was born in Texas, but she might have been born in Mexico.

Thank you again,

Juanita

arturoramos wrote:

Juanita:

When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.

"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".

The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?

Juanita,

Try and see if you can find other surnames she may have used. She may have been born under another surname, perhaps her mother's surname, or the Tobias may have been just part of her name.

Emilie
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From: Leticia Leon
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Inocencia Tobias

Hi! Have you tried confirmation records?

Hope it helps.

juanita delgado > escribió:
Arturo,

Thank you for your reply.

I have Inocencia and Antonio's marriage certificate, but it certainly does not give parents'
names. It gives the padrinos' names. So unfortunate, especially since I have not been able
to locate her death certificate, which would certainly give that information.

I checked with Cameron County, Texas, because she supposedly died outside the city of Brownsville, in La Tina Ranch in Cameron County, but there is no record there. That is where I got their wedding certificate. I then checked with the city records and found nothing.I have tried Familysearch, but no luck. The LDS center near here has records of Texas deaths, so the first opportunity I get I will check there.

Incidently, I have not run into marriage certificates(not in Texas) that lists parents' names.

I also did not find any Tobias in my searches. I had heard that she was born in Texas, but she might have been born in Mexico.

Thank you again,

Juanita

arturoramos wrote:

Juanita:

When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.

"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".

The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?

Leticia,
Thanks for the tip. I will try the church!
Juanita

Leticia Leon wrote:
Hi! Have you tried confirmation records?

Hope it helps.

juanita delgado escribió:
Arturo,

Thank you for your reply.

I have Inocencia and Antonio's marriage certificate, but it certainly does not give parents'
names. It gives the padrinos' names. So unfortunate, especially since I have not been able
to locate her death certificate, which would certainly give that information.

I checked with Cameron County, Texas, because she supposedly died outside the city of Brownsville, in La Tina Ranch in Cameron County, but there is no record there. That is where I got their wedding certificate. I then checked with the city records and found nothing.I have tried Familysearch, but no luck. The LDS center near here has records of Texas deaths, so the first opportunity I get I will check there.

Incidently, I have not run into marriage certificates(not in Texas) that lists parents' names.

I also did not find any Tobias in my searches. I had heard that she was born in Texas, but she might have been born in Mexico.

Thank you again,

Juanita

arturoramos wrote:

Juanita:

When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.

"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".

The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?

Hello Arturo,
This was posted a while back. Anyway, you mention an electronic version of Catalago de Pasajeros. Is this also on Nuestros Ranchos?

Thanks,
Juanita Delgado

arturoramos wrote:

The website that Daniel is speaking of is Portal de Archivos Espanoles (PARES) and the link appears in the link section of Nuestros Ranchos. There is no password necessary.

http://pares.mcu.es/

I think that the documents that Daniel speaks of are not so much passports as the licensias para pasar a Indias, or permits to travel to the Indies, which were necessary to keep Jews, Muslims, Catalans, etc. out of the colonies. There is also an electronic version of Catalogo de Pasajeros, which is an index of all of the names on the passenger lists and licenses.

phyls esparza

17 years 8 months ago

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Hi, Can you please send me the actual web site as I cannot get into it and would love to see the passport of Lope Ruiz de Esparza ...thanks, Phyls

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From: "mormonboy74"
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Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Archivos Espanoles-Ministerio de Cultura

>
> Just wanted to let everyone know that this website is REALLY FUN and helpful. They have a wealth of information. You can even view the actual images and PRINT at no charge! From the passport of our Lope Ruiz de Esparza to my Juan Perez del Camino who was made to the office of the Real Audencia de Guadalajara on June 6, 1605 in Guadalajara. Im sure ill find much more. Im going to search on the founding families of Aguascalientes a bit more. Let me know if you have any other questions.
> -Daniel Mendez del Camino

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