By Joseph de Leon |

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz) daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of San Luis Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune! Ha! Ha!

Well, maybe you will walk the way to El Dorado!
 
When I was starting my genealogy trip read about a girl who was searching her roots because she was requested to prove her belonging to the certain family by the surname Luft I think it was, she couldn´t make it in the requested time but contracted the genealogy seed.
 
Maybe you will get a good "tajada" (piece of cake).
 
Leticia Leon te saluda.

--- El vie 10-oct-08, Joseph de Leon escribió:

De:: Joseph de Leon
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 10 octubre, 2008, 11:26 pm

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain.
When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of
baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th Great
Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived at
Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich gold
mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of San Luis
Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!

longsjourney

16 years 9 months ago

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Well Done!  Always happy to see research that's been shared become a a part of reclaiming our heritage and history.  You give me hope in taking my families back further.
 
thanks for sharing your info so openly and freely
Linda in Everett

--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:

From: Joseph de Leon
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:26 PM

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain.
When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of
baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th Great
Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived at
Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich gold
mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of San Luis
Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!

JUAN CRISTOBAL…

16 years 9 months ago

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Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros
ranchos" cousins.

Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The city of San Luis
Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592 by: Capitan
Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico Gubernator), and
the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.

In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first people.
The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De Escobedo (Your
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo de Cabrera, Manuel
Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de Toledo, and
others.

Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the foundation papers.

If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I have several books
that talk about this
Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph de
Leon
Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help
at NuestrosRanchos

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When
in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm,
marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th
Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived
at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich
gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of
San Luis Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!

JUAN CRISTOBAL…

16 years 9 months ago

Permalink

Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros
ranchos" cousins.

Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The city of San Luis
Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592 by: Capitan
Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico Gubernator), and
the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.

In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first people.
The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De Escobedo (Your
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo de Cabrera, Manuel
Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de Toledo, and
others.

Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the foundation papers.

If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I have several books
that talk about this
Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph de
Leon
Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help
at NuestrosRanchos

Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",

I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When
in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm,
marriages, and public records to verify my research.

2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.

My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th
Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived
at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich
gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of
San Luis Potosi.

Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.

Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!

Thanks, Primo!

When it rains it pours!

It appears that I've discovered generations # 19 and #20 via Francisco de Escobedo's wife Maria de Covarrubias. They appear to be mostly in Seville and Granada Spain.

I suppose it's easier when it's the ancestors of Monte Escobedo -- famous people have their pedigrees well documented!

My head is spinning from all the available data!

P. S. I have some Villalobos in my family line as well.Jose Carlos de Leon

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> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:25:54 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros> ranchos" cousins.

Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants? Thanks - Anita

--- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:

> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM
> Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget
> your " Nuestros
> ranchos" cousins.
>
> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The
> city of San Luis
> Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592
> by: Capitan
> Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico
> Gubernator), and
> the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.
>
> In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first
> people.
> The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De
> Escobedo (Your
> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo
> de Cabrera, Manuel
> Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de
> Toledo, and
> others.
>
> Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the
> foundation papers.
>
> If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I
> have several books
> that talk about this
> Regards
> Cristobal Villalobos
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En
> nombre de Joseph de
> Leon
> Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
> Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it
> without my primos' help
> at NuestrosRanchos
>
>
> Following the principle of documenting each generation and
> looking for
> "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
> daddy's, etc.",
>
> I've discovered and documented 18 generations and
> bridged it to Spain. When
> in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church
> records of baptismsm,
> marriages, and public records to verify my research.
>
> 2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
>
> My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b.
> abt. 1520) and Leonor
> Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married
> my other 11th
> Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520)
> and Bernadina Diaz)
> daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo,
> Spain and arrived
> at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he
> discovered rich
> gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he
> founded the city of
> San Luis Potosi.
>
> Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b.
> abt. 1569 in
> Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son
> founded Monte
> Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his
> father's property. and
> in today's money that was probably more than what Bill
> Gates is worth.
>
> Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit
> of that fortune!
> Ha! Ha!
>

Anita, I have info posted on Rootsweb.com on Miguel Caldera but mostly from his sister Marias' line, those are the Caldera's from the district of Jerez Zacatecas mostly. They took the Caldera name instead of their fathers.  There is also info from Susan Leniski in our Nuestrosranchos section you would be interested in, if you have a problem accessing it I'd be glad to send you a copy. I have 3 Caldera lines I have been trying to merge together with no luck so far.
 
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Anita Morales wrote:

From: Anita Morales
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:21 AM

Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita

I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and 1800s, but I don't know if that's any help.
Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon

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Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre 1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro común, sentenciado por Juan de Rentería, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15 de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2 granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria, nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas, es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61 marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además, pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto con Matías García, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200 pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los Ríos Proaño. Descrito como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el 3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allí. Dijo que vivía ahí desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habían gobernado alcaldes mayores y corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habían cometido abusos sacando hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes, recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis Potosí. Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro, S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109; Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136; 427: f. 48).

> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants? Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:> > > From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget> > your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > > Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592> > by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> > others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > > -----Mensaje original-----> > De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help> > at NuestrosRanchos

Joe, did you get my last email with more scans?

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:

From: Joseph de Leon
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:07 PM

I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and
1800s, but I don't know if that's any help.
Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message
Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo
Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon

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Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las
minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan
Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre
1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue
condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas
a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro
común, sentenciado por Juan de Rentería, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15
de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia
pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2
granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por
Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de
noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de
vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria,
nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro
común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la
Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas,
es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso
de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos
ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61
marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además,
pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto
de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la
compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos
bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto
con Matías García, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200
pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la
hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los Ríos Proaño. Descrito
como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el
3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la
prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allí. Dijo que vivía ahí
desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habían gobernado alcaldes mayores y
corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habían cometido abusos sacando
hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes,
recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis Potosí.
Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva
fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro,
S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al
capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre
del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109;
Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136;
427: f. 48).

> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com>
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I
couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos>
> Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
wrote:> > > From:
jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re:
[Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at
NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org,
general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008,
12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget>
> your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > >
Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San
Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592>
> by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New
Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro
Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the
first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people:
Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor,
Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan
Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> >
others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in
the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am
from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about
this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > >
-----Mensaje original-----> > De:
general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph
de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26
p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros
Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help>
> at NuestrosRanchos

No, nothing cameJose Carlos de Leon

EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me

> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:27:00 -0700> From: resco16@sbcglobal.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Joe, did you get my last email with more scans?> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:> > From: Joseph de Leon > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:07 PM> > I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and> 1800s, but I don't know if that's any help. > Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message> Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo> Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon> > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las> minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan> Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre> 1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue> condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas> a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro> común, sentenciado por Juan de Rentería, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15> de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia> pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2> granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por> Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de> noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de> vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria,> nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro> común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la> Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas,> es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso> de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos> ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61> marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además,> pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto> de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la> compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos> bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto> con Matías García, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200> pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la> hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los Ríos Proaño. Descrito> como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el> 3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la> prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allí. Dijo que vivía ahí> desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habían gobernado alcaldes mayores y> corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habían cometido abusos sacando> hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes,> recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis Potosí.> Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva> fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro,> S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al> capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre> del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109;> Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136;> 427: f. 48).> > > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I> couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos>> > Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?> Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx> wrote:> > > From:> jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re:> [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at> NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org,> general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008,> 12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget>> > your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > >> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San> Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592>> > by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New> Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro> Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the> first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people:> Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor,> Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan> Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> >> others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in> the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am> from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about> this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > >> -----Mensaje original-----> > De:> general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph> de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26> p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros> Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help>> > at NuestrosRanchos> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

Hello Anita
All the information that I have is from the books of the Historia de San
Luis Potosi from Primo Feliciano Velazquez
They said that Capitan Miguel Caldera was natural son of Pedro Caldera from
Villa de Jerez and a Chichimeca india.
He was born in 1548, they think some place in Zacatecas. He died in
September of 1597 in San Juan Del Rio Queretaro.
He had a natural daughter Isabel Caldera who married with Juan De La Torre,
and they have two children, Marcos y Melchor De la Torre.
Miguel Caldera have two half brothers Cristobal Caldera (Lived in Fresnillo)
and Don Francisco Caldera, and one sister, Mari Cid, married with Hernan
Gonzalez, they had a son, Pedro Cid.
I hope this information Help you.
Regards
Cristóbal Villalobos

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De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Anita
Morales
Enviado el: Martes, 14 de Octubre de 2008 12:22 p.m.
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos'
help at NuestrosRanchos

Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita

--- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
wrote:

> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos'
help at NuestrosRanchos
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM
> Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget
> your " Nuestros
> ranchos" cousins.
>
> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The
> city of San Luis
> Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592
> by: Capitan
> Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico
> Gubernator), and
> the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.
>
> In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first
> people.
> The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De
> Escobedo (Your
> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo
> de Cabrera, Manuel
> Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de
> Toledo, and
> others.
>
> Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the
> foundation papers.
>
> If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I
> have several books
> that talk about this
> Regards
> Cristobal Villalobos
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En
> nombre de Joseph de
> Leon
> Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
> Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it
> without my primos' help
> at NuestrosRanchos
>
>
> Following the principle of documenting each generation and
> looking for
> "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
> daddy's, etc.",
>
> I've discovered and documented 18 generations and
> bridged it to Spain. When
> in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church
> records of baptismsm,
> marriages, and public records to verify my research.
>
> 2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
>
> My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b.
> abt. 1520) and Leonor
> Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married
> my other 11th
> Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520)
> and Bernadina Diaz)
> daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo,
> Spain and arrived
> at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he
> discovered rich
> gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he
> founded the city of
> San Luis Potosi.
>
> Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b.
> abt. 1569 in
> Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son
> founded Monte
> Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his
> father's property. and
> in today's money that was probably more than what Bill
> Gates is worth.
>
> Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit
> of that fortune!
> Ha! Ha!
>

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