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By alicebb | Sun, 2014-08-31 21:49

Hello group,
Are B2 and B4'5 mtDNA the same? My brother tested B2 (with NatGeo) and I B4'5 (with FTDNA).
On FTDNA Familyfinder, some of my matches are referred to as B2 and some as B4'5 in the mtDNA Haplogroups column.
Thank you for your help,
Alice Blake

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Armando

10 years 8 months ago

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Hello Alice,

It took me a while to find this information because it is buried in different websites.

B4'5 is found on the mtDNA tree Build 14 (5 Apr 2012) at http://www.phylotree.org/previous_builds.htm

According to the following site http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA_tests FTDNA is using Build 14 and the Genographic Project is using Build 13 or 14.

In the mtDNA tree Build 14 (5 Apr 2012) B2 is below (more recent than) B4'5. B2 is defined by mutations at 3547, 4977, 6473, 9950, and 11177 according to mtDNA tree Build 14. Since B2 is below B4'5 the Geno 2.0 test result is more accurate.

The people you see in Family Finder that have B2 have either had a $199.00 mtFull Sequence test or they have transferred their Geno 2.0 test results to FTDNA.

Saludos,

Armando

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paigeherrera

10 years 4 months ago

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Can an autosomal DNA test find ancestors? I'm trying to determine which
test to have my grandmother take. We don't know much about either side
other than one parent is from Jalisco and the other is from Sonora.
Ideally, I'd like to know her paternal line but she doesn't have any living
male siblings. So, I'm wondering what information I could get from an
autosomal test. And, whether, there might be a more useful test.

Paige

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oldcar53

10 years 4 months ago

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Did she ever have any male siblings? If she did, did they have any male
children as in Nephews, sons of her brothers. If she did, they can take the
Y DNA tests.

Alicia

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Paige Herrera
wrote:

> Can an autosomal DNA test find ancestors? I'm trying to determine which
> test to have my grandmother take. We don't know much about either side
> other than one parent is from Jalisco and the other is from Sonora.
> Ideally, I'd like to know her paternal line but she doesn't have any living
> male siblings. So, I'm wondering what information I could get from an
> autosomal test. And, whether, there might be a more useful test.
>
> Paige

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paigeherrera

10 years 4 months ago

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The two brothers were older and between them had seven children, six
females and one male. Only five females are still alive. I don't think I'll
be able to find anyone to take a yDNA test, but, I'm interested in knowing
if I can use an autosomal test to determine ancestry.

Paige

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Armando

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In your situation - you can use an autosomal test to determine ancestry
only if you are lucky enough to get a close match to your grandmother and
that close match has a tree and they answer your email and they have other
relatives wiling to test also in order to triangulate. It is unlikely that
will happen, but you don't know if it will happen unless you get the test.

Most of your grandmother's matches will probably be from northern Mexico
since more people from that region get tested and you will have a slightly
better chance of getting a close match with someone from that region. There
will be some matches that are from Jalisco, Aguascalientes, and Zacatecas
and they will be very distantly related to he and unless what I described
in the first paragraph happens it will hard to prove how your grandmother
is related to them.

Most matches that show up are distant relatives since some segments can be
carried down for 10-12 generations. See the post at
http://gcbias.org/2013/11/11/how-does-your-number-of-genetic-ancestors-…

Armando

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Paige Herrera
wrote:

> The two brothers were older and between them had seven children, six
> females and one male. Only five females are still alive. I don't think I'll
> be able to find anyone to take a yDNA test, but, I'm interested in knowing
> if I can use an autosomal test to determine ancestry.
>
> Paige

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paigeherrera

10 years 4 months ago

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Armando,

Thank you for the information. I'm going to order the test.

Paige

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Armando

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Paige,

You can find ancestors with an autosomal test only if a person related to
your grandmother within 4 or 5 generations has also tested, shows as a
match, and responds to emails. Unfortunately, there aren't any other tests
that she can take. As Alicia said if there is a male nephew from a brother
of your grandmother then they could get a Y37 or Y67 test.

Armando

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Paige Herrera
wrote:

> Can an autosomal DNA test find ancestors? I'm trying to determine which
> test to have my grandmother take. We don't know much about either side
> other than one parent is from Jalisco and the other is from Sonora.
> Ideally, I'd like to know her paternal line but she doesn't have any living
> male siblings. So, I'm wondering what information I could get from an
> autosomal test. And, whether, there might be a more useful test.
>
> Paige

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meef98367

10 years 4 months ago

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Paige,

I don't know what kind of a test I took with the FamilyDNA lab, but ever since, I have been receiving messages from them from time to time that they have found other testers that match me. They are always from New Mexico, where my mother was from (she was descended from Pueblo tribes). I find it hard to navigate the website, and lately due to illness I have not tried to access the list, but I have messages piled up. Some on the list have familiar surnames, and some are even male. In the past when I tried to contact some, I have never received an answer. I wanted to see their family trees.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 18:23:17 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
>
> Paige,
>
> You can find ancestors with an autosomal test only if a person related to
> your grandmother within 4 or 5 generations has also tested, shows as a
> match, and responds to emails. Unfortunately, there aren't any other tests
> that she can take. As Alicia said if there is a male nephew from a brother
> of your grandmother then they could get a Y37 or Y67 test.
>
> Armando
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Paige Herrera
> wrote:
>
> > Can an autosomal DNA test find ancestors? I'm trying to determine which
> > test to have my grandmother take. We don't know much about either side
> > other than one parent is from Jalisco and the other is from Sonora.
> > Ideally, I'd like to know her paternal line but she doesn't have any living
> > male siblings. So, I'm wondering what information I could get from an
> > autosomal test. And, whether, there might be a more useful test.
> >
> > Paige
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paigeherrera

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Armando,

I saw family finder has the autosomal and you can add an mtDNA for $69.00.
Would that help narrow the results?

Paige

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Armando

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Mitochondrial DNA doesn't mutate as fast as Y-DNA and therefore it is hard
to use as a genealogical tool, especially since surnames of the women
change every generation. There have been some success stories such as
descendants of some Spanish women in Jalisco but there were trees to
accompany the DNA in those rare cases.

The only thing you can do is purchase the tests and expect the worst but
hope for the best.

Armando

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Paige Herrera
wrote:

> Armando,
>
> I saw family finder has the autosomal and you can add an mtDNA for $69.00.
> Would that help narrow the results?
>
> Paige

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Laura Gonzalez

10 years 4 months ago

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B4'5 to B2

I don't know if this means anything, but my first result from FTDNA was B4'5. It was later changed to B2.

Laura Gonzalez

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