I agree, the character that looks like an F is a long S. According to the RAE dictionary:
osario.
(Del lat. ossarĭum).
1. m. En las iglesias o en los cementerios, lugar destinado para reunir los huesos que se sacan de las sepulturas a fin de volver a enterrar en ellas.
2. m. Lugar donde se hallan huesos.
In this church's cemetery, behind the ossaruim (ossuary); he whom I wanted to throw in the fields ...
Interesting record, first they wanted to dump the body in the fields since they thought the person was drunk and without confession when he died.
Victoriano Navarro
Ha ha ha, I didn't realized that the priest wanted to throw or bury him out in the fields. Maybe the person was not buried in the cemetary but out in the fields.
Maybe by the way the priest wrote it, his thoughts were he didn't have respect for the person.
"a quien quise tirar a los campos" Ha ha ha, I didn't realized that the
priest wanted to throw or bury him out in the fields. Maybe the person was
not buried in the cemetary but out in the fields. Maybe by the way the priest
wrote it, his thoughts were he didn't have respect for the person.
I know it seems odd, but you have to give some "looseness" to these old records when reading them, don't take them literally 100 per cent, punctuation wasn't accurate when present, I know is difficult at first but you will get there, when at first sight you will be able to know what it means. The way Victoriano N. trascribe it has the correct sense.
Also period context is important, many records "feel" crude to us but it wasn't the case back then.
Needless to say that the priest didn't meant to literally trow the body on the fields (although not impossible), but to bury it there outside the "sacred land" which for Catholics would mean condemnation. At the end of the day everything was about money. The priest had to "wash his hands" in the record, same that were used as accounting documents when Bishops visited the parishes, therefore the priest could be held accountable for giving away "freebies".
Need help to decipher
Its actually "Osario" which is a mass grave.
Need help to decipher
Thanks RJQ, but then the translation would be:
"en el sementario de esta iglesia detras del ofanio a quien quise tirar a los campos"
"At the cemetary of this church behind the mass grave"
That doesn't make sense?
Need help to decipher
I agree, the character that looks like an F is a long S. According to the RAE dictionary:
osario.
(Del lat. ossarĭum).
1. m. En las iglesias o en los cementerios, lugar destinado para reunir los huesos que se sacan de las sepulturas a fin de volver a enterrar en ellas.
2. m. Lugar donde se hallan huesos.
In this church's cemetery, behind the ossaruim (ossuary); he whom I wanted to throw in the fields ...
Interesting record, first they wanted to dump the body in the fields since they thought the person was drunk and without confession when he died.
Victoriano Navarro
Need help to decipher
"a quien quise tirar a los campos"
Ha ha ha, I didn't realized that the priest wanted to throw or bury him out in the fields. Maybe the person was not buried in the cemetary but out in the fields.
Maybe by the way the priest wrote it, his thoughts were he didn't have respect for the person.
Need help to decipher
Where can we see the lines you are trying to decipher?
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"a quien quise tirar a los campos" Ha ha ha, I didn't realized that the
priest wanted to throw or bury him out in the fields. Maybe the person was
not buried in the cemetary but out in the fields. Maybe by the way the priest
wrote it, his thoughts were he didn't have respect for the person.
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old writings
I know it seems odd, but you have to give some "looseness" to these old records when reading them, don't take them literally 100 per cent, punctuation wasn't accurate when present, I know is difficult at first but you will get there, when at first sight you will be able to know what it means. The way Victoriano N. trascribe it has the correct sense.
Also period context is important, many records "feel" crude to us but it wasn't the case back then.
Needless to say that the priest didn't meant to literally trow the body on the fields (although not impossible), but to bury it there outside the "sacred land" which for Catholics would mean condemnation. At the end of the day everything was about money. The priest had to "wash his hands" in the record, same that were used as accounting documents when Bishops visited the parishes, therefore the priest could be held accountable for giving away "freebies".